tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post5511304894666720404..comments2024-03-25T07:29:54.384-07:00Comments on CHRISdotTODD: LastPass vs. RoboForm Password ManagersChris Toddhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09035433827373014702noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-33916180023516575542011-09-05T09:35:10.305-07:002011-09-05T09:35:10.305-07:00BTW, they have their EULA on their website at http...BTW, they have their EULA on their website at http://www.roboform.com/license <br /><br />It specifically states in section 2A:<br /><br />UPGRADE POLICY: minor fixes and upgrades shall be <br />provided for free to RoboForm Desktop Pro licensee.<br />However, Customer hereby agrees that major releases of <br />RoboForm Desktop Pro may be not free and will require payment.<br />Major release as defined as release where major version number changes.<br /><br />They might have done a better job of highlighting this on their website somewhere, but you agreed to it when you hit the 'accept' button on the EULA during install.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15734478754493334684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-1344629421886210472011-09-05T09:31:01.159-07:002011-09-05T09:31:01.159-07:00As a long time user of RoboForm, lets be clear abo...As a long time user of RoboForm, lets be clear about the costs of upgrades and their upgrade model.<br /><br />If you paid for version 6 desktop, then there is indeed a cost to upgrade to version 7 desktop. (I never read the EULA from version 6 honestly to see what they meant by 'lifetime upgrades'. After 3 years of free version 6 upgrades, paying to go to 7 didn't bother my much but YMMV.)<br /><br />The cost to upgrade is NOT the price of a full licnese however. It's $19.95 for the first license, and $9.95 for each additional. (http://www.roboform.com/php/pums/rfprepay.php?lic=upgrade_rf7&upgrade=yes&lang=en)<br /><br />If you want to use Desktop and sync passwords peer-to-peer you can either buy Goodsync from them (at $29.95) or you can use a variety of other methods as noted like Dropbox or Live Mesh. The Roboform 'database' is a directory saved in you profile that are all file based and therefore easily replicatable. You just don't get the smoothness of the integrated GoodSych.<br /><br />If you want Lastpass style, cloud based storage, then RoboForm now offers their RoboForm Everywhere for $19.95 a year (currently as of 9/5/11 on sale for $9.95 for the first year). For Everywhere you can download the installer and install the app on unlimited computers, smartphones, etc. for one price. The same files are then synched down to your device (at least your computer anyhow, haven't looked hard at the phone options) just like if you were using the desktop version. They are available for offline use as well.<br /><br />I moved from v6 to Everywhere when 7 came out of beta and went live. Everywhere picked up all my v6 passcodes and moved them to Everywhere with no mess/no fuss.<br /><br />Haven't used Lastpass as I'm happy with RB still to this day.<br /><br />Safe computing.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15734478754493334684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-52549415260457354242011-08-29T07:44:27.194-07:002011-08-29T07:44:27.194-07:00Great Review, I Love It! I was searching for somet...Great Review, I Love It! I was searching for something like this since I have both on my computer and then I was hit with the Version 6, Forced upgrade To Version 7 and then you have to pay for the upgrade 29.99 and then the Good Sync Since I paid already and it said lifetime upgrades. I agree with most people this is not a good business practice to promise something and then charge you plus charge you with Good Sync So altogether that is 60.00 and I think I will go with Last Pass for right now. I disagree with this policy of charging you after saying it was a lifetime upgrade!slimshady22248202https://www.blogger.com/profile/07163269428455195868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-34591926061088683832011-05-07T22:51:48.625-07:002011-05-07T22:51:48.625-07:00I agree - Roboform has been duplicitous. I also ha...I agree - Roboform has been duplicitous. I also have paid for licences for three computers for R6. If you "upgrade" to FF4 you will need R7 and have to pay all over again. Interesting that some commenters think that 30 dollars is "notional". I don't find myself in that happy financial position. Five times 30 dollars is not notional to me. BTW if you are worried about security, don't use either product, as if your laptop is stolen, it''s relatively easy to decrypt either password manager.cfc2000https://www.blogger.com/profile/10093508740152844957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-43663902292945122942011-05-06T05:58:31.725-07:002011-05-06T05:58:31.725-07:00"Assuming that both products are secure"..."Assuming that both products are secure" That seems like a bad thing to assume. That should be one of the most important factors to be considered. You know what they say when you assume...Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550864631294286218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-85945598920470650582011-05-01T19:58:29.037-07:002011-05-01T19:58:29.037-07:00I've also been angered by RoboForm abrogating ...I've also been angered by RoboForm abrogating their agreement to provide free updates (I'd bought three licenses over the past six years, as well as additional licenses for other RoboForm products), and after upgrading to Firefox 4 I find that RoboForm 6 no longer integrates. <br /><br />So, since RoboForm 6 no longer meets my needs and I'd have to pay more if I wanted to keep using their product, I'll likely move to LastPass rather than stick with a company that I feel has been duplicitous in dealing with their longtime customers.thomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16284340948070866708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-50789192161225611332011-02-17T16:46:54.838-08:002011-02-17T16:46:54.838-08:00You should add that to upgrade to Roboform 7 you h...You should add that to upgrade to Roboform 7 you have to buy it again if you have a older version 6.Surveys Payhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11839816721752206950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-11124145230907381642011-01-31T15:34:09.888-08:002011-01-31T15:34:09.888-08:00Here's a short review I had done on Dropbox la...Here's a short review I had done on Dropbox last April 2010: http://www.chrisdottodd.com/2010/04/share-files-across-computers-across.html.Chris Toddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09035433827373014702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-35942363444462869452011-01-31T08:25:50.870-08:002011-01-31T08:25:50.870-08:00I use Dropbox myself, though I hadn't consider...I use Dropbox myself, though I hadn't considered it for the synchronizing of passwords as you suggest.<br /><br />In regards to version 7, I haven't looked at it, as I've been pleased with version 6. I'd be curious to hear what others think.CHRISdotTODDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01891237750055202017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-58104692905132631292011-01-30T06:41:05.642-08:002011-01-30T06:41:05.642-08:00Thanks for your thorough review , Chris.
Re your l...Thanks for your thorough review , Chris.<br />Re your last 2 comments about keeping Roboform synced on different computers: I've had great results with Dropbox (a superb utility for other things too, IMHO). I just keep my Roboform data folder in my Dropbox, for seamless usage on various different computers.<br /><br />Any thoughts on whether the upgrade to RF 7 is worthwhile?Avinoamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08661660683556814776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-30575507918361533922011-01-16T19:54:04.062-08:002011-01-16T19:54:04.062-08:00I am still very leery of having my passwords to fi...I am still very leery of having my passwords to financial accounts on somebody else's server. That goes both for LastPass and Roboform. <br /><br />I have been using Windows Live Sync to synchronize my Roboform database between computers. The connection is peer-to-peer, so they aren't stored in the cloud. <br /><br />The negative aspect of this is that Windows Live Sync is dropping support for XP very soon, which is forcing me to either consider upgrading my PC sooner than I'd like (don't want to put Win7 on a 5 yr old PC) or consider LastPass._clhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08190603241546247780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-31530949614184030402011-01-13T11:26:59.829-08:002011-01-13T11:26:59.829-08:00As a long time keepass & roboform I thought I&...As a long time keepass & roboform I thought I'll give a try but it did not meet my expectations.<br /><br />roboform & keepass are still unthreatened.<br /><br />lastpass does not seem to work for networks which do not have internet connectivity (intranet?)<br /><br />How do you edit/access/modify a password while being offline?<br /><br />The we have the issue of TRUST.... Since the code is not opensource how do I know that there is no back-door in the cryptography algorithm?<br /><br />You have to have a lot of faith in trusting a company with all you secret data....<br /><br />Would you save your login to wikileaks in lastpass? :-))Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02175554682984765449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-33817812173007696212011-01-03T11:18:10.911-08:002011-01-03T11:18:10.911-08:00ChrisdotTodd,
How do you feel about the new fee fo...ChrisdotTodd,<br />How do you feel about the new fee for upgrading from Roboform Pro version 6 to version 7? I thought I had purchased a lifetime user license over three years ago (see this link - http://goo.gl/efptE)only to find out that I must now pay 29.95 for the desktop version plus $29.95 for Goodsync (this used to be free). These are currently discounted by $10 each for current owners of Roboform Pro - version 6.<br /><br />Or I can sign up for Roboform Everywhere for $9.95 a year. <br /><br />I can understand their need to change the terms of the user license - I only ask that they be upfront and honest about it. Pretending that they did not promise lifetime upgrades is going to cost them customers. And I am now switching over to LastPass. Less than total honesty is not a good sign in a company that you must with your passwords.Kristen Emeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07306319629868110233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-23547314120446499482010-10-08T09:12:05.058-07:002010-10-08T09:12:05.058-07:00Formfilling of Roboform was superb while formfilli...Formfilling of Roboform was superb while formfilling with LastPass works only about 10% of the time - german user.MJP - MotWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02310810261350040112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26496923.post-47078158363570675032010-10-06T20:47:53.758-07:002010-10-06T20:47:53.758-07:00Great review! I have been struggling to go with on...Great review! I have been struggling to go with one and have been comparing both on my PC. I agree that the LP model for accessing anywhere without having to carry a USB is great. To be fair, RB has a similar online version that integrates with browsers like LP (still requiring Goodsync).<br /><br />I like RB2go as a portable option - LP requires you to use the portable Firefox app and use their tool through the USB - pretty slow. RB2go works just like the PC-installed version.<br /><br />I found LP a bit unreliable on form-filling as well. RB seems more reliable in doing this task.<br /><br />LP has a nicer interface. <br /><br />For those who don't want to store even encrypted passwords on a server, that eliminates LP. But RB does require more effort to make sure passwords are synced if you don't use the Goodsync/server option and have to copy the password file onto a USB or other PC.<br /><br />I always laugh at the cost aspect. These are your passwords we're talking about-letting a few bucks determine your decision would seem awfully trivial were your banking account got hacked because you chose a solution you didn't believe in (but was free).<br /><br />So with RB online, I think the "access anywhere" advantage of LP reverts to TIE.<br /><br />Also, I have had to re-install RB a few times and have NEVER been asked to pay again.<br /><br />When I tried to find out where LP stored my file (in case I wanted to uninstall it) it was a real pain to find. RB was obvious because I told it where to put it.<br /><br />Lastly, LP seems a bit overly complex in it's decryption process. They keep your encrypted passwords, but you keep the "key" on your PC. If you're offline, you can access one version of your "vault" as opposed to a different looking version of your vault via the web. And I just can't get past that USB option that requires you to run the add-on from a portable Firefox app.<br /><br />My conclusion: if you really use the form filling feature (a life saver when filling out credit card data and job applications), I like RB, despite the nominal fee. I also like the portable version better than LP's option.<br /><br />If you have no issues with your passwords on another server, need to have it free and don't mind the hit or miss form-filling, LP is it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08992927163577868310noreply@blogger.com